Monday, March 26, 2018

Support for free speech among young white college graduates has declined over the last several decades

From Anatoly's open thread round up:
Support for free speech among young college graduates has plummeted over last several decades. Would be interesting to see trends for just whites. Maybe somebody could dig into the GSS?
When Anatoly says "jump!", I ask "how high?". The following graph shows percentages of white respondents who favor allowing "racists" to speak in public, by the decade they participated in the survey and by their age at the time of participation (N = 3,378):


Among whites, too, young college-educated boomers are the free speech champions. They were markedly stronger supporters of free speech than their 'racist' parents were.

The generational gap opened widest between pro-free speech boomer parents (although they appear to have cooled some on their attitudes from their salad days) and their millennial children, as evidenced here in the 2000s. The small increase in support for free speech among white college graduates from 2010 onward is modestly encouraging. If millennials end up representing the Occident's low-point, there is hope for the future yet!

GSS variables used: SPKRAC, AGE(18-29)(40-60), YEAR(1970-1979)(1980-1989)(1990-1999)(2000-2009)(2010-2016), DEGREE(2-4), ETHNIC(2-4,6-15,18,19,21,23-27,32,33,36)

18 comments:

Andrea Daley said...

Most people can't think on their own. They are sheeple, and since the rise of PC, entire generations of kids have been taught by Jewish elites who control the media and academia that there is this thing called 'hate speech' that isn't free speech.

Well, we need to turn the tables on them.

http://dailyandreaostrov.blogspot.com/2018/03/we-must-defend-free-speech-by-waging.html

Feryl said...

I was looking at abortion stuff earlier and found that support for abortion rights increases with each passing generation....Until you get to 1972. 1972-1986 births are less supportive.

Those born from 1900-1959 are quite disapproving. There's an odd sort of blip of greater approval from 1960-1962, a bounce back to mild disapproval from 1963-1965, and then, woof......Those born from 1966-1970 come close to being net supporters (e.g., over 50%) of abortion. This isn't surprising, since they were college age in the late 80's and very early 90's when a wave of PC hit us. Those born after 1970 missed this horseshit, as you can tell by 1971-1986 births being much more disapproving of abortion than 60's births.

Those born after 1986 are hard-core SJWs on abortion.

It looks like we've got 4 cohorts by abortion trends.

1) Those born before 1960 tend to be moderate to strong opponents (didn't grow up with feminazi extremism)
2) Those born in the 60's are only slightly against it. (hit by the first PC wave)
3) Those born from 1971-1986 are similar to pre-1950 births in their opposition (these kids grew up in broken homes and around abusive and clueless Boomers, while the culture of the 80's and 90's became strongly disapproving of child abuse, drugs, promiscuity, and the like). Look to 70's and early 80's births to be neo-puritans/prohibitionists RE:vice for the foreseeable future.
4) Those born after '86 are by a landslide pro-abortion. Cult Marxism has grown extremely strong during their young adulthood. The 70's/early 80's cohort is a product of Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton, and Bush 2, which were all culturally unpretentious eras (with the minor exception of 1988-1992 campus PC). The later Millennials are going to be products of the Obama/Trump era when everyone lost their shit. Similar to how late Boomers got so tired of early Boomers talking about Woodstock and Bob Dylan, late Gen X-ers and early Millennials are going to eventually get really damn tired of the SJW culture of the Obama era, which later Millennials are going to be reliving for decades to come......Shudder. News Flash: the culture of the late 60's-mid 70's is often a preachy and self-serious drag (go watch Easy Rider; it's basically a plotless movie about two biker hippies bumming around, and they eventually are harrased and killed by good ole boy rednecks. Who the fuck cares?), quite like how so much culture started to blow ass in the Obama era and is just begging to shoved off the screen and airwaves by entertainment that actually entertains.

Feryl said...

These trends are all in keeping with anecdotal experience. The massive wave of Milllennials born from 1987-1992 always seemed to a different breed to me. The majority of people I hung with were born before 1987, besides one of my counsins. People born in the 70's and early 80's seem more detached (in a kinda spaced out, pensive way), more relaxed, and more personable. Most of the neighborhoods I lived in the 90's seemed to have legions, sometimes entire broods, of kids who were 2-6 years younger than me and my brother's generation. The Youth Risk Survey sez that the greatest change in behavior happened from about 2000 to 2005, e.g. when early 80's cohorts left and were replaced by people born later.

It looks to me like those born from about 1987-early 90's are going to be not unlike late 40's births or late 60's births in being overly preachy douchebags. "Us" people born in the 70's and early 80's got into some trouble but we were warned about going too far, and unlike late 40's-1960's births we don't think that we're entitled to be assholes whose opinions and feelings matter more than anyone else's. In both deed and word we'll try and do our best clean up the mess left by Boomers and early Gen X-ers.

Caveat: the later Millennial sample size is small, and furthermore, future editions of the GSS could reveal that early Millennials and X-ers have changed their mind.

Oh yeah, and ya'll remember how many goofy buzzwords were embraced by early Boomers in the late 60's? The Counter-culture, The Man, The establishment, The Older Generation, etc.? It was all so facile and betraying no real insight into how the world really works. Sadly, it looks like later Millennials are going down that road with "alt-Right", hetero-normativity, LGBTQDER$#^@#, "problematic", "white privilege", and so forth.

Whereas early Boomers saw everything thru the lens of war between generations, war between insiders and outsiders, war between "squares" and "freaks", with no shades of grew permitted. Later Millennials will see everything thru the lens of Racegendersexuality, with no sense of the fine details or complex history. It's just the most base kind of us V them thinking, these simplistic narratives of oppressor and victim.

Feryl said...

WRT abortion rights, I looked at white men only, in case I didn't make that clear above.

Audacious Epigone said...

Andrea,

I'm constitutionally inclined towards free speech absolutism. I realize this may make me more a part of the problem than of the solution. Maybe it's just residual naivete that needs to get worked out of my system.

Feryl,

The massive wave of Milllennials born from 1987-1992 always seemed to a different breed to me

Could not agree more.

234567 said...

Damn Feryl, you are talking about shit you read in a book. We called that posing back in the 60-70's.

We were fighting NOT to get drafted and to get our friends and brothers back home. I missed the draft because they ended it right after my number got posted. None of us had the internet or cell phones and barely a fax machine - it was 100% done with word of mouth and posters and lots of graffiti. We marched, held stay-away-from-school protests, sit-ins and lots of shooting and trashing of Army recruiting spots. Go read about Kent State shootings, and there were lots more that never made it into national news.

What passes for protest these days is sad, really. And the people protesting have no idea WTF they are protesting - it's like a holiday. Crap, many of them are GETTING PAID to show up.

War between generations? nope - war against government drafting us, against sending us to get killed by a no-win-required battle strategy and crazy ROE. These days the news is so sanitized they do not even show body bags coming home or war footage, unless it is of some stupid drone footage or a far-away missile or plane. They showed people hurt and dead and rotting on the news, because they wanted viewers and many of those in the news knew the war was stupid and had kids of their own or family getting roped into it and dying for no rel reason important to America.

You got a right to your opinions, but so do I. You are wrong in who we fought and what brought us together - even our parents got into voting anti-war and protesting, because they didn't want us there. My Dad and uncles were WWII and Korea vets, and were all against it. So generational war just doesn't fit the facts as I and many others lived them. If we hadn't got out, Nixon knew he was going to have an insurrection on his hands.

Buzzwords? Historically, "the man" and "the establishment" can be swapped out for "the swamp" or the "deep state" today - just wait a generation or so. Deep state was invisible back then. because data was on paper and stored in file cabinets under lock and key - you had to chance a B&E to get stuff. Today, everything is a 0 or 1. You can break in from the other side of the planet at nearly no risk to yourself. If anything at all is better today, it is that there is so much free information available at your fingertips, everybody should be informed. Which is why the media is now controlled so rigidly.

Funny, but if you watch the old protest films, you will see black and white shoulder to shoulder in many places - because we were not divided but united in wanting to end the war.

Nope - you are reading some book trying to cast blame off of the government we were all fighting to change, and by believing whatever you read, you are abetting their rewrite of history.

But, I respect your right to think what you will and believe what you want to, however ignorant it seems those who were actually there.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the data. I've got a quick question for you- what software or website do you use do create your charts? And do you have more datasets you use beyond the GSS? Like the Collegeboard, etc.

Thanks again.

Feryl said...

"What passes for protest these days is sad, really. And the people protesting have no idea WTF they are protesting - it's like a holiday. Crap, many of them are GETTING PAID to show up."

What's changed is that the older generation in the 60's (and to be fair, most conservative Boomers) wanted to maintain order forcefully; protesting before the mid 70's was indeed dangerous. Now that Boomers are the establishment, and Left-wing Boomers dominate, protests are heavily managed and marketed by middle aged to elderly people, many of whom have stoked a climate of hostility towards police and law and order for decades. They've allowed an increasingly permissive climate regarding mass unrest and hostility towards authority. Stuff like the beating of Reggie Denny in the 1992 riots would've horrified older people if it had happened in the 60's; but Boomers (esp. the ones born in the 40's and early 50's) grew up hearing CultMarx crap about "oppressors" and "victims", not to mention they fried their brains with drugs, so in many of their minds A Reginald Denny would represent white privilege and the black attackers are righteous avengers venting decades of frustration. There's also a disinclination to tell people what to do; Left-wing Boomers do not want moral controls (including suppression of violence and rioting), while Right-wing Boomers do not want economic controls (e.g., higher taxes and regulations). It should be noted that extremes of either ideology are more common among higher income Boomers; Rust belt steel workers in the 70's and 80's didn't want street criminals to run amok nor did they approve of yuppie corporate raiders running amok. Certainly the higher income Boomers who fueled 60's protest culture later on almost completely sold out, giving in to the worst instincts of elitism and partisanship.

I don't so much disagree with the reason for 60's protest culture as I do the methods. I also don't agree with simplification of complex issues, which is caused by mindless partisanship and CultMarxism. The government doesn't have to be a total enemy or friend, neither does the military. Not all white people are good and not all black people are bad. Not all cops are pigs, not all criminals are the victims of poverty or injustice.

People born in the late 50's and most of the 60's show greater sophistication of moral reasoning and understanding of cause and effect in human relations, although people born in the 60's are ultimately as hedonistic as those born in the 40's and 50's. The difference is that those born in the late 50's and earlier 60's are less likely to arrogantly bloviate about complex topics that they don't necessarily understand that well. Most of us don't really know all that much about a lot of things. But like I say above, those born in the late 40's/early 50's, and those born in the late 60's, and those born in the late 80's/early 90's, came of age during spikes of CultMarxism on campus, which would forever make them inclined to feel obligated to preach to other people. Compare Oliver Stone (b. 1946) to James Hetfield (b. 1963), or Kurt Cobain (b. 1967) to the guys behind South Park (born around 1972)

Feryl said...


.I myself was too old for college by the time the Obama CultMarx era started in earnest in around 2010. So yay, I missed out on the bullshit. Just like people born in 1958 missed out the 1970 peak of bratty college kids, and like how people born in 1977 missed the 1990 peak of PC bullshit. There are roughly 20 year periods in between PC spikes, which last to varying degrees. Like this:

Periods of PC and bratty college kids:

1)1967-1972
2) 1988-1992
3) 2010-?

It appears that due to CultMarxism becoming totally embraced by elites, that we've been stuck in a PC nadir damn near a decade at this point. And the election of Trump actually made it worse. Whereas in the early 70's, Nixon did a pretty good job of handling unrest and annoying college kids, to the point that it largely disappeared by the mid 70's. And Bill Clinton in the 90's was anxious to shed the "hippie" label from the Left so he made efforts to keep volatile youth in check. In the Obama and Trump era, no elites are willing to tell later Millennials to shut the fuck up.

simonvmentvm said...

The decline of willingness to put up with "racist speech" comes from a few things. First is the ever-broadening umbrella of racism. It should be noted that in 1940 or 1950, "racism" had a more definite meaning than today, and it meant to people in that era chiefly *violence against other races based on an ideology of blood*. The word "racism" like many other words (capitalism, progress, equality, etc.) are politically charged and created with the intent of eroding white Western men and their places in the world from the onset. But 20 years later, by 1970, "racism" was broadened to mean "discrimination on account of race (chiefly by whites)" after the victory of the Civil Rights(tm) camp. 20 years after that, "racism" is defined by the '90s once again as being "power and prejudice" and white men are the symbols of both regardless of whether they hold real power or show substantial prejudice.

Second is the transvaluation of all values. As much as many of us like Nietzsche or elements of Nietzsche, the left are basically twisted Nietzscheans who root for double doses of chaos and hedonism. As such, they see the old values of Western society as fundamentally rotten and in need of replacement. Things like general order, stability, honor, and kin meant something in the days of yore; now order invested in the administrative state alone, change heedless of consequence, shameful self-indulgence, and rootless individualism are the ways the winds blow.

Third is the distance from generations who had a greater pathos of distance inherently with respect to the savage races, and there is also the manifest negroification and debasement of modern culture. You could sprinkle in the dilution of academics for another. These things work hand-in-glove. Someone born in 1920 would have seen people who were "racist" by the standards of the day regularly, and so even a college kid with a likely leftist bent would have been less eager to throw someone under the bus for having those opinions, because such people were quite likely either neighbors, friends or family. By 1990, that's no longer the case. Anyone who's mildly intelligent and socially respected generally keeps their opinions to themselves. Even if they find negroes and Indios generally uncouth and dimwitted, they are unlikely to speak their minds publicly because the left has made it costly to do so. Moreover, kids growing up in the '90s are likelier to have social circles that entirely reflect their own opinions and social standards, and they're also much likelier to have the general zeitgeist fed back to them through mass media than someone in the '40s or '50s.

Audacious Epigone said...

234567,

What passes for protest these days is sad, really. And the people protesting have no idea WTF they are protesting - it's like a holiday. Crap, many of them are GETTING PAID to show up

It's a common gag now to interview protesters at these events to display how little they've thought about what it is that they are putatively protesting, if they've thought about it at all--and if they even know what it that they are supposed to be protesting in the first place.

Anon,

Excel 2003, heh. Was worried with a recent computer change that I'd lose access to it, but it's still available as an app with original registration keys. The GSS interface is all online. I also use Reuters-Ipsos polling frequently, and occasionally the World Values Survey, though I'm not particularly impressed with that database. The GSS is much better.

Simon,

Your last paragraph is gets at why no matter how it ultimately turns out, Trump's election was a phenomenally good thing. A lot more people are now talking about things that they'd previously kept to themselves.

For example, no single person in the history of the world has probably communicated ideas about race and IQ to as many people as Stefan Molyneux has.

thekrustykurmudgeon said...

Feryl

things make more sense if you look at things as subgenerations in the 20th century

Gen 1 (1905-1914)
- Typically didn't fight in the second war.
- Mostly in charge of running the postwar society
- Parents of Gen 4
- Grandparents of Gen 7 (first wave Xers)

Gen 2 (1915-1924)
- 95% of all second war vets were in this age group.
- Parents of the first wave boomers (gen 5)
- Grandparents of the xennial generation (gen 8)
- in charge of running society during the 65-74 "breakdown" era

Gen 3 (1925-1934)
- On a personal note, all four of my grandparents (one of them dead) is part of this generation (i just turned 27)
- Parents of second wave boomers
- This is the core of what we call the silent generation
- probably the most "trad" generation as these were the 50s youth

Gen 4 (1935-1944)
- Mostly second wave silents, but you see elements of boomers in the latter part of this category
- Parents of Gen X
- lot of the 60s activism was from this group
- this was probably the last generation where the old social norms applied

Gen 5 (1945-1954)
- This is the core of what we call the boomers
- Contrary to popular view, this generation was largely NOT the parents of millenials; rather there kids were largely of the Xennial subgeneration
- too young to be involved in activism, but also enjoyed the most of the sex drugs and rock n roll of the late 60s and 70s
- disproportionately children of WWII veterans
- pretty much all Vietnam vets were born in this group (although the draft ended around 1970)

Gen 6 (1955-1964)
- These are more of what you call the parents of the millenials
- I'd call this the Brady Bunch generation as all six of the kids in the tv show was born in the 55-64 time frame
- there parents were largely silents and not WWII vets
- some of the pre-2013 altright guys are in this subgroup (Sailer, Dale Ramsey, Grace, Steel)

Gen 7 (1965-1974)
- this is the core of Gen X
- parents were in Gen 4
- not many altrighters in this group except for maybe Z

Gen 8 (1975-1984)
- children of the first wave boomers and grandchildren of WWII veterans
- a lot of the post-2013 or so altright is in this group (AE himself, Spencer, 28Sherman, McNabb, Peinovich, Dunstan)
- Sort of the "mentor generation" to the millenials

Gen 9 (1985-1994)
- this is the core of the millenials
- children of Gen 6 and grandchildren of silents
- mostly has no memory of good pop culture.

Audacious Epigone said...

Krusty,

That's a very handy summary list, and rings true to the extent I'm able to offer informed comment on it. Turn it into a stand alone post on your blog?

Anonymous said...

I feel that using the single item for "racists" as an indicator for support for free speech has similar problems to using items about "homosexuals" or "communists." It may tell us less about attitudes towards free speech, and more about attitudes towards that particular group. Could you do a similar analysis, but using the "free speech absolutist" that you've used previously, as that seems like a better measure of support for free speech views on any specific group.

(p.s. as it happens, some of those graphs are how I found your blog in the first place.)

Feryl said...

Krusty:

the 10 year gap thing is convenient and creates an easy to remember series of "blocks". But it's a bit too....Convenient.

Anecdotally, people born in 1960 and 1974 are more insouciant, more fun loving, than those born in 1968. Early Millennials (1982-1986) IMO/IME, and in terms of stat. evidence, show some carryover from later Gen X-ers (people born from about 1972-1981) in terms of smoking rates, street fights, moderate closeness to or moderate alienation from parents, and a disdain for muh principles retards on the Right and/or humorless school marms on the Left. Each of those archetypes tends to be typified by "I hate TV violence" late Silents/early Boomers (b. from about 1943-1952, see Jim Morrison), "my body my choice" early Gen X-ers (b. from about 1966-1971), and mid-period Millennials born from 1987-'94(?)

I do agree with your rundown of which generation is descended from which other generation. But in terms of attitudes, not every cultural epoch lasts for a consistent period of time. For example, The PC spike of 1990 burned out very quickly, as by 1993 most normies were openly disdaining it's excesses. If you were 20 years old in 1993, it just wasn't cool anymore to whine about social issues like it was for the Cobain cohort in 1991.

Our brains start to freeze after the age of about 24; that's why someone who graduated college in 1970 or 1991 can still seem insufferable and preachy decades later. They missed out on periods where youth culture wasn't so full of itself (Like the later 70's/early 80's, or the late 90's/2000's) and would've socialized them to have more humility and good humor. What was the world like when your were about 18-24 years old? That's the key window of development of our "adult" mindset. I was 18-24 in 2003-2009. Great, I dodged a bullet, as I stopped soaking up pop culture right before the Obama era really took off and made it fashionable to be a pussy.

Feryl said...

"- not many altrighters in this group except for maybe Z"

Yeah, most powerful "movements" have room for people under the age of 40ish, although obviously they can be influenced by older people. But the rank and file membership will be fairly young. There's just not enough common ground, enough psychological and cultural points of familiarity, to enable those who grew up in the 60's and 70's to mix easily with people who came of age after 1987 (1987 is the point at which we entered a new era, not unlike how 1967 was the point of demarcation between the "square" culture of 1945-1966 and the swinging narcissism of 1968-1983.

1945-1966: Middle class paradise

1967-1983: People lose interest in having kids, crime and drug use soar, the Me Generation starts sawing at the foundations of productive and peaceful society.

1984-1986: A "mini" phase: drug use and crime fall, people become more protective of children, the Right embraces "family values" while the Left begins to promote all kinds of boutique causes (whereas the Left in previous eras promoted "class warfare").

1987-2001: Gen-X promotes nihilism and apathy, in response to Boomers shredding society with Silents doing little to stop the damage. At this point these generations have assumed leadership and become in body if not deed the "older generation" they used to hiss at, yet don't understand why Gen X-ers are so "bummed out". Pop culture intensifies the social realities of materialistic and inwardly focused older adults along with jaded and sardonic teenagers/young adults, neither of whom can agree on a common enemy (to older people, its a world grown cold and judgemental, to younger people, it's a world in which talk comes before action).

2002-present: Crisis: it becomes incumbent on adults to harness to the youngest generations to good effect. Boomers begin to realize that action is indeed just as important as talk, while Gen X-ers gradually lose their youthful habit of not giving a damn about anything except annoying pompous adults. Adults are relieved (whether they realize at or not) to finally have a youthful generation(s) that does not spit in the face of authority (later Millennials and Gen Z) or waste time getting, uh, wasted via drugs, booze, violence, and crime.

Audacious Epigone said...

Anon,

Using all five variables isn't a terrible method, but the more I've thought about it, the less it seems to capture the essence of free speech. With 90%+ of the population supporting allowing gays to speak publicly, it has ceased to be an indicator of free speech tolerance and has instead morphed into an indicator of tolerance for homosexuality. Whether or not that is a good thing is a separate question.

"Racism" is the new blasphemy.

234567 said...

I think that the massive generalizing that accompanies all of this "generational cohort" thinking makes the conclusions invalid. There are so many types of people from so many varied circumstances within each that putting rubber bands around them and assigning them patterns of thinking and action is rife with assumptions, which is rarely an accurate point of view.

I do believe in cycles, as they are everywhere. Yet there are much grander, close-by cycles of things that drive people than their concurrent birth dates. My family (the 5 generations I have known) simply does not fit into these neat little generational emotive and personality groupings.

Things change over time - left becomes right and vice-versa. Has already happened here in the USA. Before 1900, many women still wore black to their weddings. Today is polar opposite. It is things like this that make wrapping up entire generations into broadly generalized characters much more an exercise in grouping than in real methodology.

As much or more accuracy is likely to be divined by astrological portents.